CyprusLiving

lion

Why not? No worse than church bells.
Anne.

The policy of the British government is to support religious freedom and it's already permitted in many areas, so it's not really news is it?
I quite like to hear the call to prayer.
Trisha

If they have a mosque then surely they should expect to be able to use the call to prayer as well... as said, it's no different than living next door to a church that blasts you out of bed with their bell ringing in the early hours.

Do they do the same in UK at midnight mass? Not being a religious person, I wouldn't have a clue but certainly the church bells in our village in Cyprus always seemed to be a clamouring at all hours of the day. We had 3 churches fairly close to our house and depending which way the wind was blowing we could hear most of them at any one time during the day...

At least we won't have any sirens waking us up in the early hours any more, I suppose And we're not that close to any churches now that we'll be able to hear any bells

All we hear is the sound of the horn on the ferry as it leaves each jetty and that depends on the wind direction. We've yet to hear the maroon sirens going but perhaps they will come during the winter when the weather isn't so good. Something usually gets into trouble as it's either arriving or departing the river mouth (according to my Mum) and the flares and sirens go off.

The most noise we get are from the jet fighters flying overhead on their way to and from the lake district during their low flying practice runs. I love that sound!

I also love to hear the call of the mullah from the mosques - reminds me of our Egypt and Tunisia trips which are being sadly missed just now.

I survived 4 years in Saudi Arabia of the 5 times a day call to prayer via a loud speaker, and all the sermons that accompanied the call.

I didn't mind, and soon got used to the noise, infact I used to engage in chat in my own little way with the mullahs. After all Saudi Arabia is their country. I was a guest in their country, and abided fully with their culture laws and etiquette.

I didn't have a problem with the noise of church bells in Saudi Arabia either. There are no churches, there is no religion other than Islam. And religion is just the tip of the iceberg. Almost everything that we in the West see as a norm is banned in Saudi Arabia.

So, Saudi Arabia, which is the centre of Islam can ban any active public show of any religion other than Islam. That being the case, why on earth should the UK bow to the demands of Islam?

Because the UK is a forward thinking, progressive, tolerant nation.

Jeanne

If the Express article is true. then it's all part of Islam clawing away at things a bit at a time. They know exactly what they're doing.

Remember that homosexuality in Islam is a capital offence, women who've been raped are seen as the guilty party. Is that the sort of thing you'd be happy to accept?

I read yesterday that muslim Syrian refugees in Germany don't like the extreme aspects of Islam that's being preached in the mosques in Germany. As well as not agreeing with it the Syrian refugees are also being made to feel unwelcome.....unwelcome in their own places of worship!

lofos-jan wrote:Because the UK is a forward thinking, progressive, tolerant nation.

If Islam was a forward thinking, progressive, tolerant religion then fine, no problem. But it's not, it's stuck in the Middle Ages.

I may be wrong but when Maggie Thatcher was asked to allow the muslem call to prayer to be broadcast over loudspeakers in the UK, she replied that when she heard church bells ringing in Riyadh KSA, she would consider it.

Might have been mistaken though.

"Might have been mistaken though."

Then why post?

travellin'gal

Where in the Quran does it state that the Call to Prayer must be via a loudspeaker? I'll answer.....it doesn't!

Will the Call to Prayer be in English, as a lot of followers dont speak or understand Arabic?

It's the 21st Century. You can download Apps that do the job perfectly well without the need for noise pollution.

What do women do durimg the Call to Prayer? It's hardly an inclusive thing is it!

explodingaardvark

Now there,s a thought

Durian Muncher

Thats right Durian,as you say "all part of Islam clawing away at things a bit at a time" that little over a long period of time that its hardly noticed..Is that not what happened to the Roman empire....All roads lead to Rome.And as we all know that history repeats itself..However its what the British people are willing to accept by voting in parties who encourage it and after all we are still a democracy so there we go..

DM,

As you lived in Saudi for a number of years then you will know that the regime enforces the teaching of Wahhabism, the most regressive sect of Islam, as you said going back to the middle ages.
Saudi Arabia has used it's wealth to deliver it's teaching across the globe, mainly left unchecked the west has allowed this to happen, clearly they are more interested in the oil & purchase of arms than sanctioning this country & it's vile teachings.
The majority of Muslims do not follow these teachings & find them as disturbing as we do.

The UN are currently under fire for selecting a Saudi Ambassador onto the panel for.....HUMAN RIGHTS!!!....it is scandalous
considering they have one of the most regressive regimes in the world with no human rights.
Those that slate Islam should vent their anger at our own government that has continued to pander to this vile regime solely for it's wealth whilst it continues to spread it's vile message

Why if you're so anti Muslim would you choose to live ( and we chose the same ) in a country that has approx 25% Muslim population ( either born or settled for 40 years in many cases ) whilst the UK has 5% of its population that are Muslim ( half which are born in the uk) ....

To go even further, you choose to live in a region that 40 miles from one corner of its land mass holds 75 million Muslims....and from another coast approx 350 million...

Yet, you chant about the UK having Muslims.....??? I don't understand

95% of the UK is non Muslim ( yes they too live near to one another, much like Brits in Paphos, Russians in Limassol china towns etc )...what bit of that bothers you? Apart from the hate rhetoric from the usual suspects i.e. daily papers, which I'm sure some may believe...

Isn't Cyprus trying to reunify, how will that effect you? Cyprus south has approx 100k immigrants, there are approx 200k in the north, you're getting close to a third of its population as immigrants, yet you THINK the UK has it wrong? If Cyprus is doing well, and it seems it is with immigrants, why does the UK have to listen to those who don't like it...

I'm genuinely interested, I'm not accusing ( apart from the newspapers, who I believe cause MOST of the hate we see in today's uk ) ....

Well Said Lynsab

I also agree.
Anne.

travellin' gal

"Might have been mistaken though."

Then why post?

Firstly, because it was a long time ago and my memory might be playing tricks on me.
Secondly, because, if it was my mistake, it was something that MT would probably have said and I thought it was amusing.
Thirdly, who appointed you as the forum police and if you are already in such a position do you think my comment warranted your response.
Finally, did my comment really require your response or do you just like making inane, useless comments that contribute nothing, not even something amusing, to a thread.

I don't know if Margaret Thatcher ever said anything about loudspeakers, but she did say this in 1985:

"Britain is now, more than ever, a multicultural society: and I think that we are beginning to appreciate the challenges and the opportunities for learning that this diversity offers. We need not be afraid that these new influences will somehow threaten the ‘British way of life’: on the contrary, a new resilience derived from diversity can only strengthen Britain"

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/106029

So the petition garners 25,000 signatures - doesn't look that popular and would therefore
suggest that it is not going to change much.

Anyway back in the UK I can already drive ten minutes and hear the wonderful bells of the Cathedral or
ten minutes in the opposite direction and I can hear the call to prayer.

Given that we are coming up to Armistice Day it might be worth remembering that millions of Muslims
have fought for Britain over the years - with some paying the ultimate sacrifice - their religion was not
questioned then.

Cheers

Steve

Lynsab

Lets say the muslim population of UK is just under 3,000,000. I'm not really bothered about 99% of them.

That 99% = 2,970,000, who live happily in the UK. So that leaves 1% = 30,000 [thirty thousand] who live in the UK but hate it's existence.....they have extreme tendencies, they radicalise, they groom, and have the authority and control in many UK mosques. That 1% are controlling, and I suspect that a very high % of the 99% who live happily are fearful at speaking out against extremists.

My figures may or may not be way out, but as you can see 5% of a poulation might not sound a lot, but when you break it down into numbers there is scope for a lot of damage to the security of the UK. Allowing mosques in UK to use loudspeakers to Call to Prayer simply is a step.....another step in the wrong direction.

Durian Muncher

Well that would leave a non-Muslim population of say 61million - now say 99% of them are ok
and have no problem with.

So that leaves 610,000 people [six hundred and ten thousand] who may have extreme tendancies,
who groom, who incite violence, hatred and unlawful behaviour in others. Lots of scope for damage
to security and probably on a larger scale. Maybe people are fearful of speaking out against these
people and tend to accept their behaviour.

Now based on the above should I rally against 61 million people? Should I tar all the 61million people
with the same brush, should I look to promote a constant stream of articles against all the 61million
people in the UK?

BTW Mosques in the UK do use loud speakers to call to prayer.

Cheers

Steve

Steve

I was trying to answer Lynsab question to me as simply as I could. But as you've thrown the whole population back at me, here we go...

Everyone is a possible criminal, all 60+ million of us. That's why we have...

- The Police Force, and the other emergency services

- M15 and M16

- Our Armed Forces

- Liaison with Interpol or whatever they're called

- Exchange of information with other friendly nations

- Even Neighbourhood Watch

Fortunately few criminals in the UK are likely to have a destabilizing influence on the security of the country. Criminals acting in the name of Islam are an exception.

My reference to loud speakers is related to the OP link.

DM

What absolute rubbish.

I have never been arrested stopped or questioned by a member of the Police force.
I have thankfully never needed the assistance of the emergency services.
So how by your reckoning does that make me a possible criminal?

Nor have I been on the radar of MI5 or 6. Or ever needed assistance from a neighbourhood watch.

Like most of your posts, your presumptions by far outweigh reality and are bordering on racism.

Durian Muncher wrote:Steve

I was trying to answer Lynsab question to me as simply as I could. But as you've thrown the whole population back at me, here we go...

Thanks but am not sure it answers the questions and is a bit of a deflection.

Durian Muncher wrote:Fortunately few criminals in the UK are likely to have a destabilizing influence on the security of the country. Criminals acting in the name of Islam are an exception.

I would beg to differ - I would judge much of the following list as having a potentially destabilizing
influence on the security of the country. List of terrorist incidents in Great Britain 1970's - Present

Clearly reading through the list will show that for the best part of fifty years the majority of
terrorist criminals have nothing to do with Islam. In addition the minority who have perpetrated
such crimes are no more a representation of Islam than the majority are a representation of
Christianity.

Cheers

Steve

panoscouse wrote:DM

What absolute rubbish.

I have never been arrested stopped or questioned by a member of the Police force.
I have thankfully never needed the assistance of the emergency services.
So how by your reckoning does that make me a possible criminal?

Nor have I been on the radar of MI5 or 6. Or ever needed assistance from a neighbourhood watch.

Like most of your posts, your presumptions by far outweigh reality and are bordering on racism.

See the bold type. What I ought to have said was '...possible criminal or victim.'

I'm a law abiding citizen and member of a Neighbourhood Watch. I've reported several matters, and helped to get rid of some low life from our neighbouhood [drugs, and running an illegal brothel]. You might have been helped too, but never known about it.

You say you thankfully have never needed the assistance of the emergency services. They are there 24/7 if you do need them though. The Armed Forces protect the country 24/7, so you do need them.....we all do.

MI5 and MI6 are there to keep an eye on all sorts of nasty people who could do damage to the security of the UK. Just because you're not on their radar doesn't mean that you aren't being protected by them.

All of the above YOU pay for through your Income Tax. So if YOU don't think any of them affect you ask for a refund. Please report back with the response!

What have I said that's remotely racist?

Steve - SJD wrote:
Clearly reading through the list will show that for the best part of fifty years the majority of terrorist criminals have nothing to do with Islam. In addition the minority who have perpetrated such crimes are no more a representation of Islam than the majority are a representation of Christianity.
Steve

The last 50 years is very interesting, but hardly relevant to the current major terrorist threat.

So who is the major current terrorist threat to the UK? If your answer to that ISN'T the threat from Islamic terrorists then, with respect, I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Several mosques in places like London, Birmingham, Bradford,and Luton are known breeding grounds, where radicalisation and brainwashing takes place. Hundreds are known to have travelled to Syria to fight, and hundreds have returned. What are the ones who've returned doing now? Suspects are arrested every day, our prisons are well populated with those charged with terrorist offences. Some who've done their time have been released, reoffended and are back behind bars. And deradicalisation programmes with this particular breed of terrorist rarely work.

Durian Muncher wrote:

Steve - SJD wrote:
Clearly reading through the list will show that for the best part of fifty years the majority of terrorist criminals have nothing to do with Islam. In addition the minority who have perpetrated such crimes are no more a representation of Islam than the majority are a representation of Christianity.
Steve

The last 50 years is very interesting, but hardly relevant to the current major terrorist threat.

So who is the major current terrorist threat to the UK? If your answer to that ISN'T the threat from Islamic terrorists then, with respect, I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Several mosques in places like London, Birmingham, Bradford,and Luton are known breeding grounds, where radicalisation and brainwashing takes place. Hundreds are known to have travelled to Syria to fight, and hundreds have returned. What are the ones who've returned doing now? Suspects are arrested every day, our prisons are well populated with those charged with terrorist offences. Some who've done their time have been released, reoffended and are back behind bars. And deradicalisation programmes with this particular breed of terrorist rarely work.

Hmm you missed out Manchester. Where there is Sharia law courts in action. Where the POLICE are afraid to go. Well done DM for you accurate reporting comments.

I'm so glad I moved out of the UK never to go back there again!

Durian Muncher wrote:The last 50 years is very interesting, but hardly relevant to the current major terrorist threat.

It wasn't intended to be - it was in response to your previous assertion.

Durian Muncher wrote:So who is the major current terrorist threat to the UK? If your answer to that ISN'T the threat from Islamic terrorists then, with respect, I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Of course there is a current threat from Islamic terrorists - although I would add that whilst the
various security services are rightly monitoring for these threats they hopefully will also be watching
for threats from right-wing extremists. If the US is anything to go by then there is a growing and
credible threat from such right-wing individuals & groups. Not often covered by the MSM but the
number of arrests and attempted terrorist acts is increasing and also should be a concern.

The point though imo is how we deal with the threats both real & perceived. Do we castigate and
stigmatise innocent people who only have a religion in common? Do we promote divisive, inflammatory
and often biased articles directed at a group of people with the invariable consequence of further
alienating the very people we need to be working with? Do we show contempt, hate & fear for
Muslims who after all account for the biggest number of victims of these evil, barbaric terrorists?

I have no problem with rooting out the extremists & locking them up, shutting down the hate
preachers, keeping out those that go to training camps etc. However we need to be wary of allowing
the media to promote an agenda that has more to do with its own bottom line than trying to
solve the serious issues we face.

Cheers

Steve

Austin 7 wrote:I'm so glad I moved out of the UK never to go back there again!

Likewise..Our disillusioned friends still in the Uk say were part of the "white flight"

lofos-jan wrote:Because the UK is a forward thinking, progressive, tolerant nation.

Jeanne

And that's why the child grooming that went on in Rotherham for years, because UK tolerated it for fear of upsetting the Muslim population, they knew what was happening....

sandra d wrote:

lofos-jan wrote:Because the UK is a forward thinking, progressive, tolerant nation.

Jeanne

And that's why the child grooming that went on in Rotherham for years, because UK tolerated it for fear of upsetting the Muslim population, they knew what was happening....

The "UK" didn't tolerate it - incompetent people did not do their job. Were the celebrities, politicians,
priests, Police Officers etc etc tolerated for fear of upsetting Christians?

Let's forget the religion - as these criminals surely have - and find all those involved in abusing
children, lock them up and hit them with the severest penalties possible.

However child grooming is but one part of the evil of child abuse and for me highlighting one part is
dangerous with in many cases rarely much thought given to the victims.

Cheers

Steve

Hi Steve,

Well said, I agree, back in the day these unfortunate children were vilified in most cases as being ' slappers, troublesome & uncontrollable '.....shocking! ...it was ignorance & stupidity that allowed this horrendous situation to carry on, thankfully that is no longer the case.

coggle123 wrote:Hi Steve,

Well said, I agree, back in the day these unfortunate children were vilified in most cases as being ' slappers, troublesome & uncontrollable '.....shocking! ...it was ignorance & stupidity that allowed this horrendous situation to carry on, thankfully that is no longer the case.

It wasn't that long ago and I would be very surprised if it is not still happening today!

I am not so naive as to believe there are no longer vile predators out there waiting too pounce on vulnerable & unsuspecting children but at least the authorities are now better trained in dealing with the victims & their needs than they used to be.

coggle123 wrote:Well said, I agree, back in the day these unfortunate children were vilified in most cases as being ' slappers, troublesome & uncontrollable '.....shocking! ...it was ignorance & stupidity that allowed this horrendous situation to carry on, thankfully that is no longer the case.

Honour crimes, women forced to dress in a life of darkness, Shariah Courts.....all going on under our nose, all in the name of a reigion stuck in the Middle Ages.

If this is how they wish to carry on, then they can by returning to their own country. If they live in Britain, they should have to abide by our laws, or be deported. Where do we stop it, when we have the beheadings on Friday afternoons in our town squares, or women being stoned to death ?

Jackie

Logos-jan wrote:- Because the UK is a forward thinking, progressive tolerant nation.

Following the previous posts line of thinking, does that mean that nuns should not wear their habits or priests, monks & other holy orders their choice of dress?
Sharia courts have NO judicial powers, they are merely there to arbitrate in domestic disputes between Muslim families,
In a similar way that the Catholic church used to intervene in family affairs.

Coggles

Although I agree with you I would say it's like trying to push a peanut up hill with your nose trying to convince people what you are saying is true.

This is a link about veils and women covering themselves, originally nothing to do with Islam and as I know from personal experience very few Muslim countries insist their women use them, Saudi is a one off as most other countries allow their women to choose.

https://alexandrakinias.wordpress.com/2 ... ent-world/

Honour Crimes are another blamed on Islam but is more an Ethnic tradition carried out in Pakistan and India where I believe the vast majority are Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ho ... 381779.ece

I posted the links because on another thread I was accused of posting lies although they could be substantiated.

Yes JimB, it is truly shocking that in the 21st Century the India/Pakistan Govts. Have done very little to stop this barbaric practice. I think they prefer to believe that it doesn't exist

Isn't it easy to find internet links that fit in with your own versions of the truth...

http://www.meforum.org/3287/hindu-muslim-honor-killings

"The Hindu" is an Indian newspaper writing about concerns in India about Honour Killings, "The Middle East Forum" is an American Conservative Think Tank promoting its Right Wing Views. Come on, you can do better than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Forum

Jim B wrote:"The Hindu" is an Indian newspaper writing about concerns in India about Honour Killings, "The Middle East Forum" is an American Conservative Think Tank promoting its Right Wing Views. Come on, you can do better than that.

See bold text above. Only talks abot the concerns in India about Honour Killings. Not much point posting the link if it doesn't cover Honour Killings in Islam as well.

Durian Muncher wrote:

Jim B wrote:"The Hindu" is an Indian newspaper writing about concerns in India about Honour Killings, "The Middle East Forum" is an American Conservative Think Tank promoting its Right Wing Views. Come on, you can do better than that.

See bold text above. Only talks abot the concerns in India about Honour Killings. Not much point posting the link if it doesn't cover Honour Killings in Islam as well.

You indicated Honour killings are specifically down to Islam, I pointed out that as usual you are incorrect and it affects several different cultures. Come on, you can do better than that.

DM.

Why are you so hung up on ' Honour ' killings ' when there are approximately 2 women a week murdered by their husbands & partners each year in England & Wales?.....

DM.

Why are you so hung up on ' Honour ' killings ' when there are approximately 2 women a week murdered by their husbands & partners each year in England & Wales?.....

Jim B wrote:You indicated Honour killings are specifically down to Islam, I pointed out that as usual you are incorrect and it affects several different cultures. Come on, you can do better than that.

In your mind I might have indicated that, but it's not what I wrote. I was referring specifically to Islam. A religion that bit by bit are clawing away at the heritage and culture of the UK and other Western countries.

In your mind I might have indicated that, but it's not what I wrote. I was referring specifically to Islam. A religion that bit by bit are clawing away at the heritage and culture of the UK and other Western countries.

Couldn't agree more. One caveat though, I'd add extreme Islam. Problem is, how do you classify extremism these days, and how many are already 'extremists'. How many imported hate preachers does it take. For that matter, how many 'child refugees' does it take to cause mayhem in the name of Allah before we close the doors?

coggle123 wrote:DM.

Why are you so hung up on ' Honour ' killings ' when there are approximately 2 women a week murdered by their husbands & partners each year in England & Wales?.....

I'm not hung up over Honour Killings, that's just part of the problem with the islam that we're allowing to claw away bit by bit at the way we live.

I'd like to wish you a Merry Christmas, but I suppose you'd rather I said have a Happy Holiday.