CyprusLiving

Answer: consigned to history..Johnson..Gove..Farage have all disappeared like rats leaving a sinking ship. All set off on a path of personal ambition and on the way took gullible voters with them, ignoring the best financial brains in the country who predicted financial turmoil.

Reesy, in one brief, succinct paragraph you hit the nail on the head.

You did not need to be a political genius to predict what would happen with a leave vote, many of us said the exit vote would go this appalling way, probably THE worst self inflicted decision the British public have ever made,done now those who voted leave will just have to live with it like the rest of us.

It seems some think the leave vote was about immigration, did they not think about their personal finances, obviously not, from an immigrant to Cyprus who is still in the EU you get it seems what you wished for, or not as it happens.

Yes the leavers will certainley regret what they have done..If a second referendum where to take place it would be a walk over to remain.I,m not going to mention turkeys voting.................Oh and the pound plumeting again today,and the Federation of Small Business's say that only i in 8 of its members plan to take on further employees in the near future...Hight st spending down 11% and on and on..Otherwise all seems to be ok

My God you're amazing!?..remember many of you have "left" the UK ..in your own minds at least..often some years ago. Some of you here are both brainwashed (BBC anyone?.. aka Al Beeb")..and seem scared in equal measure about your futures ...maybe you should be!?..maybe it will all be fine ( I do hope so on a personal level)..but the vote has been cast..so watch and wait but get used to it.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-seven-stages-of-brexit-grief-explained--byG_VWIqnVZ
what stage are you in?

RONK you really are a sado mate, you know the outcome of the referendum, some have said that they disagree with the result but that's life just like us you will have to live with your decision. Again if the vote was tomorrow I almost guarantee we would still be in the EU on Friday, instead of the bloody mess the UK is in now, no arguments with this?

By the way RONK we did not all leave the UK to escape politics, most of us worked very hard to scratch out a life here on the island, we are no burden to the UK in any way, we look after ourselves as best we can, a whole lot more difficult now with the £ nose diving due to the exit vote, maybe this does not impact your way of life but for many of us here on Cy it most certainly does.

Ronk

Us Remainers are British Citizens just like you and are being affected by the referendum , one way or another, just like you. Just because we live or work in countries other than the UK doesn't make us any less British or even less affected. When you have the Front Runner in the Tory vote for leader stating she is going to use British Expats and EU Citizens in the UK as hostages in negotiations with the EU we have every right to be worried and concerned. So please don't say to me put it behind you because we living in the EU are still waiting to see what the consequences will be.

Jim

Remainers all is not lost..pray for Theresa May to become prime minister and then rely on the M.Ps to do the right thing. M.Ps are the elected by the people to represent them and People are allowed to change their minds. As I understand it the M.Ps need to vote on the clause to exit. With a majority of M.Ps against the exit they should vote accordingly. We need to think of the future generations and not bang on about the good olde days when bananas were more curved and eggs tasted better.

None of anything you mentioned could happen without consensus, any one of the 28 countries can block Turkey, same as an EU Army, same as changing the rules about the Euro; all Brexit lies just like the 350 million a week and stopping Immigration.

I would worry about ten years time in ten years time; I worry about right now, right now.

Jim

McIngy1

Cameron jumping ship (as you say) made the right decission...The normal Mr & Mrs Public wont be able to jump ship because with the tumbling pound they will simply have to go down with it..The worst as yet to come,or could it

Keith

I would hazard a guess that a large majority on CL who voted for a Brexit will be dead and gone before anyone sees any benefit (if any). What a legacy we're leaving the younger generations. As I keep repeating, there are two aspects to this referendum, Financial and Social. You are fixated with financial and I suppose I'm fixated with Social; there is nothing that you can say or prove that will convince me otherwise that British Citizens living in other EU countries and voted for a Brexit were foolish to believe everything will be as it was before Cyprus joined the EU. If I lived in the UK I may have a different opinion but I don't I live in Cyprus and I had intended to stay here though now that decision has been taken out of my hands as according to Theresa May our Residency here will go into the negotiating mix if she is voted Prime Minister. That is a Statement of fact and not Scaremongering.

As I said I live for the here and now and not what may be in ten years time because quite frankly I don't know if I'll be around in ten years time.

Jim

My take on things.

The first thing Brexit has achieved is to put the EU on hold; preventing the unelected, and in most cases unknown Commissioners from introducing more undemocratic legislation that will put the EU and the Eurozone further into recession.

Secondly, waiting in the wings is a demand by the EU commission for further monies to prop up the EU budget which unsurprisingly is again in debt. And will again fail to be completely audited and signed off.

Thirdly, we are not far away from a huge Italian bank failure. Yes, I know we have an opt out from Eurozone banks, but that won't prevent the Commissioners from attempting to get the UK financially involved in a bail-out before the UK finally leaves. Spanish banks next folks.

Four. Speeded up the merger between the London Stock Exchange and the German Bourse into the Europa Exchange, (proposed name) which will dwarf virtually all other exchanges in the world put together. This prevents the Eurozone from introducing a Passporting limit on London dealing in the Euro. Also provides a safe haven for the Germans when the whole Eurozone edifice collapses.

Five. I think we will see Chancellor Merkel make an offer of associate membership to the UK when the new British prime minister is chosen which will be along the lines of Cameron's Bloomberg speech, which most British voters, except the hard left, would accept for remaining in the EU. We will also see the GBP rise again to keep the Remainers happy. Remember we have had the referendum so we are all Leaves now. Aren't we?

Its said in polls that most of the people that voted on a leave did so having strong thoughts on immigration.I think they will find out to their cost how wrong they where..Norway could not make it happen and niether could the Romans as powerfull as they where could they stop the influx of christianity at the time.( all roads lead to Rome)..Mmmm,time i had my egg sandwich.

>Ashton "It's said in polls that most of the people that voted on a leave did so having strong thoughts on immigration."

One third of "Leavers" said leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” However, according to the Lord Ashton poll nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.

There may be other polls?..not sure

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
"Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”. One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.” Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

Oh my, so much doom and gloom. The vote is over, get on with life.

Jackie

I am getting on with my life thank you.

Jim

>Jim (not JimB)..don't worry so much as Firefly says above. Anyway I thought I'd post this from a Cyprus-related website (it was written yesterday) I'd not seen before..it should allay some of the fears you have expressed:

"We believe that British Expats who are permanent residents, and have their yellow slips, will have more of a case to be allowed to stay in Cyprus as they have passed the immigration screening process to prove they are not a financial burden on Cyprus. The Cyprus government would most certainly not wish permanent registered British Expats to leave en masse back to the UK.

from http://www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/blog/read/id:6665/british-expats-in-cyprus-face-residency-worries-following-brexit

p.s. there's another interesting one on here as well..albeit from before the referendum result was known:
http://www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/blog/read/id:6468/brexit-healthcare-information-for-british-expats-in-cyprus

"We are sure the British government are aware of this and will give a priority to arranging a new healthcare agreement with Cyprus and other countries".

You answering to me RONK?, the only concerns I have is this downward spiraling exchange rate, this is a serious concern to all ex-pats who have pensions from the UK, you think this is funny?, I do live for now as ten years down the britex line many of us will be long gone, probably the very worst decision the UK has inflicted on itself, at least I can say not down to my vote. Lastly why all these links I never read them because they are not something I want part of, medical issues will not change they will be as before the euro on Cyprus, as will our UK ex-pat status. Jim CL

Ronk

I don't know if you actually believe what you post or you just post to wind everyone up.

Who are, is Cyprus Expat; I'm one and it's not me and I don't think it's the other Jim either; are you sure it's not the Brexit Division of Cyprus?

I registered in 2003 and I had to re-register when Cyprus joined the EU and I had to Re-Register again in December 2015 when I applied for Permanent Residency, proving three times I passed the Immigration Screening Process; more money for the Cyprus Government coffers by the looks of it.

Regarding Health Care in Cyprus: i'm sure the British Government will put it on the top of their "Things To Do List" when negotiating the ten million other things they have to sort out with the EU. By the time they get round to sorting who pays what most of us will be dead and buried so we really don't have to worry about it do we?

I'm still getting on with my lfe.

Jim

Who are, is Cyprus Expat

Interesting....

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http://www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/about-us

An article I had published elsewhere which may be of interest to some.

What Did and What Didn't We Vote For on the 23rd June?

There seems to still be a lot of misunderstanding about the June 23rd Referendum particularly amongst the young and those still committed to Remaining in the EU even after a democratic vote to Leave. Those of us that want to leave the EU:

Didn't vote to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged until such time that the UK decides to renegotiate them.

Didn't vote to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance - as we to them.

Didn't vote to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.

Didn't vote to leave Europe. The UK is still, geographically part of Europe. Non-political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

Didn't vote to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither did we vote for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.

Didn't vote against being able to travel to Europe. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get the chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport.

The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first full year after we leave.

Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then receive money back in the form of funding – our own money! The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our own money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

We didn't vote against human rights. The EU Convention on Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

Didn't vote to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither did we vote to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport. That will not change. British borders, the UK maintains full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use will come into effect

Didn't vote to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

What the UK majority did vote for is to regain UK sovereignty and leave a European Commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf.

We patriotically voted to bring sovereignty back to Westminster and to leave a highly politicised socialistic body that without the consent of the people is trying to create an undemocratic United States of Europe, which already has a totally flawed economy before it even starts and is bent on creaming off the profits from the richer European nations to distribute them to the poorer areas to garner their votes and keep them in power. If you Google for the "Five Presidents Report" you will be able to read it for yourself.

Now somebody from the Remain side persuade those of us who voted to Leave the benefits that we would enjoy if the Brexit vote were to be undemocratically overturned and the UK re-joined the EU, including losing the British Pound and taking up the Euro. We await your reply.

Who are you trying to convince , us "Remainers" or yourself?

Most of any money saved will more than likely go on paying unemployment benefit to people who have already started losing their jobs due to the Brexit vote; Tata (Buyers driven away because of the Brexit) is a prime example but no doubt those people would rather have "Sovereignty" than a job that feeds their family. You cannot eat sovereignty or heat the house with sovereignty but of course you are sitting pretty in Cyprus on your pension so you don't have to worry about the fallout do you?

Jim

The price of steel has gone up and strange how there were a number of potential buyers until the Brexit even with the high cost of Sterling, all the Tariffs and lack of subsidies.

Jim

Sorry but to say that buyers have been driven away by Brexit is opposite to what I heard. Because the pound had fallen in value foreign buyers were now MORE interested in buying Tata Steel.

explodingaardvark wrote:Sorry but to say that buyers have been driven away by Brexit is opposite to what I heard. Because the pound had fallen in value foreign buyers were now MORE interested in buying Tata Steel.

I wonder what caused the pound to drop like a stone.

Jim

In the Daily Mail today......

The crisis-torn eurozone faces a weak future, the International Monetary Fund said yesterday in a devastating analysis.

The single currency area is now at a critical point amid ‘flagging faith’ in the bloc, it warned.

In a withering assessment, it also said the refugee crisis could trigger the end of free movement and sounded the alarm over growing levels of Euroscepticism following the Brexit vote.

The IMF said: ‘The euro area is at a critical juncture. Muddling through is increasingly untenable.’ It added: ‘Unless collective problems are solved, the euro area is likely to suffer repeated bouts of economic and political instability leading to crises of confidence and economic setbacks.’
The eurozone is on course for an economic slowdown in the wake of Britain's decision to leave the European Union, according to the International Monetary Fund
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The eurozone is on course for an economic slowdown in the wake of Britain's decision to leave the European Union, according to the International Monetary Fund

The stark message came as:

A Nobel Prize winning economist said Europe may have to ‘abandon the euro’;

An analyst at French bank Societe Generale warned Italy and France could quit the single currency bloc;

Rating agency Moody’s said the future of the entire EU was under threat;

Experts warned banks across Europe were ‘under stress’;

The world’s biggest hotel group predicted that the fall in the pound would lead to a tourist boom for the UK.

The pro-EU IMF said the eurozone is ‘increasingly vulnerable to shocks’ in its damning annual health check on the region.

It said economic growth would slow from 1.6 per cent this year to 1.4 per cent in 2017 ‘mainly due to the negative impact of the UK referendum outcome’.

It warned that within five years the region will still only clock up growth of 1.5 per cent, which could ‘undermine the recovery and raise the likelihood of stagnation’.
The report said the region was being held back by ‘crisis legacies of high unemployment, elevated public and private debt, and deep-rooted structural weaknesses’.

It added: ‘The medium-term outlook remains weak and is endangered by a lack of collective action to address common challenges.’ Unemployment in the eurozone is 10.1 per cent, compared to 5 per cent in the UK. The figure is 19.8 per cent in Spain and 24.1 per cent in Greece, where economic turmoil has led to civil unrest.

The IMF warned of ‘banking and financial sector weakness’ – highlighted by the crisis engulfing lenders in Portugal and Italy and a share price collapse at Deutsche Bank. Swedish MEP Gunnar Hokmark said ‘the whole banking system [is] under stress’.

Filipe Garcia, a financial expert and consultant in Portugal, said: ‘Wherever you look, there is a threat or a risk.’ The IMF said the eurozone is now under threat from growing Euroscepticism in countries including France, Italy and the Netherlands following Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

It also warned that ‘an intensification of the refugee surge could prompt additional border controls and hinder free movement within the single market’. The migrant crisis has already seen border controls reintroduced – leaving the EU’s passport-free travel zone on the brink of collapse.

The IMF called on EU countries to ‘rapidly integrate refugees’ and urged reform of ‘common border and asylum policy to protect social cohesion and preserve the single market’. Noting ‘stark political divisions’ across the region, it said: ‘The EU should redouble efforts to ensure the benefits of economic integration and thus rebuild flagging faith in the monetary union.’

Nobel Prize-winning academic Joseph Stiglitz, a former chief economist at the World Bank and adviser to Bill Clinton, said the euro is at the root of many of Europe’s problems. In a new book, he says the currency was flawed at birth and instead of bringing prosperity to the region is now threatening to tear it apart.

He says adopting a single currency in 1992 was a ‘fatal decision’ and said ‘an amicable divorce would be far preferable to the current approach of muddling through’.

Albert Edwards, of French bank Societe Generale, said: ‘It is only a matter of time before the eurozone project fractures.’ Ratings agency Moody’s said the rise of ‘nationalistic and protectionist movements’ could threaten its existence.

Sterling has fallen around 10 per cent against the euro since the Brexit vote. Richard Solomons, of Holiday Inn owner InterContinental Hotels, said it would boost tourism. ‘It is clearly very early days, but the low pound means that we’re likely to see an increase in in-bound travel,’ he said.


Britain's booming... Manufacturing up as China eyes trade deal: Recovery in far better shape than first thought after industry clocks its fastest growth rate for six years

Britain’s economy has picked up pace despite doom-laden warnings over the prospect of Brexit.

Figures yesterday showed the recovery is in far better shape than feared with industry clocking up its fastest rate of growth for six years.

Industrial production rose by 1.9 per cent in the three months to May, according to the Office for National Statistics – the strongest performance since the three months to May 2010.

And in a sign that Britain can prosper outside the EU, an Indian business leader described a trade agreement with the UK as a deal ‘almost made in heaven’.
Britain’s economy has picked up pace despite doom-laden warnings over the prospect of Brexit
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Britain’s economy has picked up pace despite doom-laden warnings over the prospect of Brexit

Chinese officials have also made encouraging noises, claiming the Brexit vote has made a trade deal with Britain more likely.

The economy looks set to get a further boost next week with analysts saying there is a near 80 per cent chance that interest rates will be cut once again.

Rates have been at a historic low of 0.5 per cent since March 2009, but it is now thought the Bank of England will cut them to 0.25 per cent on Thursday to keep the economy moving.

Talk of rate cuts came as the FTSE 100 index rose 1.1 per cent yesterday and government borrowing costs hit a record low, in a sign that international investors still have faith in the UK following Brexit.

The Government borrowed £2.25billion for ten years and will pay less than 1 per cent a year.

‘The prophets of doom have run out of steam today,’ said David Buik, market analyst at stockbroker Panmure Gordon.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research said gross domestic product – the total size of the economy – increased by 0.6 per cent in the second three months of the year.

The reports will ease concerns that the economy is heading for the rocks. Edward Firth, an analyst at investment bank Macquarie, said: ‘We are highly sceptical that being a member of a command and control organisation like the EU offers significant benefits or that departure will throw us straight back to the 1970s.’

But the institute also said that while growth was ‘robust’ in the second quarter it expects a ‘quick deterioration’ in the coming months.

And in a report published today, research group GfK warns that consumer confidence has fallen at its fastest pace for 21 years following the Brexit vote.

However, Naushad Forbes, president of the Confederation of Indian Industry, said negotiations over an India-EU trade agreement, which had lasted for nine years, were being held up by concerns about European exports of wine and cars.

But those problems would be removed if the UK negotiated its own arrangement after leaving the EU. ‘It would be an agreement that would be almost made in heaven,’ he said.

Zing Houyan, an official from the state-backed Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said China was being frustrated by the EU.

But now Britain is leaving the EU the ‘situation in Western Europe will push China and the UK to make a trade treaty’, he said.

Trade Minister Lord Price said on Wednesday that Brexit could herald a ‘second Elizabethan Golden Age’ of trade and investment.
Figures yesterday showed the recovery is in far better shape than feared with industry clocking up its fastest rate of growth for six years

A welcome post amongst all the gloom. Alas, some hard lefties will still want to stay in the failing EU and experience what the USSR experienced in the last decade.

Clive,

Agree totally, but you are wasting your breath, there are non so blind as those who will not see. It amazes me that those who are so much against Brexit, choose to live in Cyprus, and will still therefore be living in an EU country.

Jackie

Firefly wrote:Clive,

Agree totally, but you are wasting your breath, there are non so blind as those who will not see. It amazes me that those who are so much against Brexit, choose to live in Cyprus, and will still therefore be living in an EU country.

Jackie

I'm also amazed that those who are so much against Brexit chose to live in Cyprus, an EU country. Why didn't they choose to live in Australia or some other non-EU country?

explodingaardvark wrote:
Sorry but to say that buyers have been driven away by Brexit is opposite to what I heard. Because the pound had fallen in value foreign buyers were now MORE interested in buying Tata Steel.

I wonder what caused the pound to drop like a stone.

Jim

Your guess is as good as mine....................currency speculators, I suppose. Or the doom and gloomers who created a nervous atmosphere.

keving wrote:

Firefly wrote:Clive,

Agree totally, but you are wasting your breath, there are non so blind as those who will not see. It amazes me that those who are so much against Brexit, choose to live in Cyprus, and will still therefore be living in an EU country.

Jackie

I'm also amazed that those who are so much against Brexit chose to live in Cyprus, an EU country. Why didn't they choose to live in Australia or some other non-EU country?

[quote="Firefly"]Clive,

Am I missing something here? Those who are opposed to Brexit are choosing to live in an EU country...Cyprus. Surely they would choose an EU country as opposed to a Non Eu Country.

Perhaps keving thinks all those opposed to the Brexit were born and gifted with ESP?

Yes, I am against the EU and living in Cyprus because I came to Cyprus before it joined the EU without a vote and against the wishes of most of the people, same with the Euro. Cyprus will keep a weather eye on how things go with Brexit and if the UK forms a trading bloc with the British Commonwealth, which is commercially growing, Cyprus may well exit as well.

just a couple of pieces top keep any "late-birds" up to speed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3681708/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-IMF-truth-broken-EU.html#ixzz4DwbXdf6F

& from that - " A devastating report published yesterday reveals why the decision of the British people to unshackle themselves from the crumbling European Union was so right.
In clear and simple language, it portrays the EU as an organisation in profound crisis, with declining growth, a tottering banking system, mass unemployment, alarming levels of debt and ‘deep-rooted structural weaknesses’. The report warned that the continuing ‘refugee surge’ could bring even more instability, prompting the reinstatement of border controls and ‘hindering free movement within the single market’. A devastating report published yesterday reveals why the decision of the British people to unshackle themselves from the crumbling European Union was so right"

.."And on the eurozone, it concluded: ‘Without decisive actions, the euro area will remain vulnerable to instability and repeated crises of confidence’.
So who produced this chilling analysis? Some eurosceptic think tank perhaps, or a hyperbolic Leave campaigner? No, it was none other than the International Monetary Fund, one of the world’s most powerful global financial institutions."

..& "Many others have similar doubts about the EU.

In a new book, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz declares that the single currency has had a crushing effect on the populations of southern Europe and is so deeply flawed it may have to be abandoned. Adopting the euro in 1992 was ‘a fatal decision’, he argues. Instead of bringing prosperity and solidarity, it now threatens to tear the continent apart. Meanwhile, the international ratings agency Moody’s warned yesterday that the rise of ‘nationalistic and protectionist movements’ could threaten the very existence of the EU. Nearly all of whom backed Remain - including Chancellor George Osborne - are now trying to paint an apocalyptic vision of Britain’s financial future.

Nearly all of whom backed Remain - including Chancellor George Osborne - are now trying to paint an apocalyptic vision of Britain’s financial future
And in its latest Global Strategy report, French bank Société Général carries a piece by one of its top analysts who says: ‘I believe it is only a matter of time before the eurozone project fractures’. He points out that Italy’s banking system is already on the verge of collapse. Significantly, it emerged yesterday that Switzerland, Singapore and Hong Kong want to form a banking and financial alliance with London. Equally significantly India and China have made enthusiastic noises about strengthening trade links.
.."And it took Germany's Chamber of Commerce to warn the EU it would be foolhardy to risk a trade war by imposing tariffs on imported British goods – especially as we buy more from Europe than we sell to it. True, the pound has fallen but that isn’t necessarily bad news. It makes exports more competitive and encourages foreign tourists to come here. And, despite the apocalyptic forecasts, the stock market is higher today than before the referendum campaign began.

So why do we never hear of these positive developments from the political and economic establishment – nearly all of whom backed Remain and are now trying to outdo each other in painting an apocalyptic vision of Britain’s future? From Bank of England Governor Mark Carney to the achingly europhile Financial Times, they are still seeking to terrify voters about the supposedly dire consequences of Brexit. Having lost the vote, they seem determined to make their doom-laden prophesies come true by relentlessly talking the nation down.

If they spent as much time exploring the exciting new possibilities that Britain faces in increasing trade with the world at large and not just the backward-looking European Union, they would serve their country far better."

2nd piece:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italys-political-and-economic-crisis-threatens-europes-stability-2016-7

" Italy is on the cusp of tearing Europe apart but the economic and political crisis brewing in the nation is largely going unnoticed.
All eyes have turned to Britain's vote to leave the European Union as having the most drastic political and economic impact onto the 28-nation state but if you look at the country's economic data, bank issues, and the impending constitutional referendum coming up, Italy is like a bomb waiting to explode."

Firefly wrote:Clive,

Agree totally, but you are wasting your breath, there are non so blind as those who will not see. It amazes me that those who are so much against Brexit, choose to live in Cyprus, and will still therefore be living in an EU country.

Jackie

I think you have that the wrong way round; the question should be why do so many Brexiteer's still want to live in Cyprus which is an EU member state; if it is so bad in the EU why don't they jump on a plane back to the new free UK?

Jim

Yes possibly wrongly worded. What I should have said was that it's Britain leaving the EU, not Cyprus, so If ex pats in Cyprus want to live in a country that is part of the EU, they do, so what's all the fuss about ?

Jackie

Because we become TCN's (Third Country Nationals) in Cyprus and do not have the legal protection that being an EU Citizen receives when in another EU country. Very simple really.

Jim

Jim

What legal protection would that be ? Each to their own, we moved to Cyprus before it joined the EU, no guarantees of anything. I expect with Brexit, ex pats will be treated very much as we were then, no problem. Is it that some ex pats only moved to Cyprus because it was in the EU ? Presumably they now have a choice of whether or not to stay there.

Jackie

Quite a lot actually like not being arbitrarily deported for one which is pretty important I would think and I was here before Cyprus joined the EU and do recall a couple of people on the predecessor to CL had this happen to them as Dee stated. Unless you moved to Cyprus prior 1973, Cyprus was an associate member of the EU as Britain was a member so things were pretty much as they are now but with Cyprus in and UK out it becomes a totally different ballgame.

Jim

JimB, it's like beating your head against a brick wall..... some people just don't seem to understand that what applied before May 2004 when Cyprus joined the EU may be very different when UK eventually leaves it.

A totally different scenario between then and now where the same rules may not apply and pretty much will have to be rewritten.

TBH, I've given up trying to explain it...

Hi Jules

You are right of course and as I keep posting, Theresa May has said British people living in other EU countries will be a pawn in any negotiations; it's not me saying that, it is what looks like the future Prime Minister of the UK. Remainers are told "there's none so blind............" but it's not us who are closing our eyes or turning a deaf ear to what is actually being said and fooling ourselves that everything will be fine when we all just do not know what will happen.

Jim

Whilst I see that the whole residency matter may become a bargaining chip, I would like the UK government to lead the way by announcing that it is their intention that EU citizens residing in UK before Brexit will be allowed to stay indefinitely, unless individual EU countries do not follow this lead. This is a bit more positive than what they are saying at the moment whereby they are throwing everything into the negotiating pot.

It's not rocket science for our politicians to come up with something more positive............or is it? If it is then they should not be in the positions they are in!

McIngy1 wrote:No reason whatsoever why those in situ cannot go on as were- that is in everyone's benefit.

But is it?
It certainly isn't from the EU bodies point of view, if they really want to teach us a lesson for not toeing the line.....

Well it appears I am finally getting through to some; we British who live in EU countries are in the mix whether you are a Brexiteer or a Remainer and we have a long period of waiting to see what becomes of us all. The choice between prospective Tory candidates leaves us all between a rock and a hard place; I wouldn't like to see either leading the local Brownie Pack never mind the UK.

Jim

>jules..you reference McIngy1 who wrote: "No reason whatsoever why those in situ cannot go on as were- that is in everyone's benefit."

You add... "But is it? It certainly isn't from the EU bodies point of view, if they really want to teach us a lesson for not toeing the line....."

It's a big IF..& you raised the point..but that's exactly why so many voted "Leave"!

UK citizens being "taught a lesson for not toeing the line"..your words not mine..an abhorrent misuse of power..which sadly, as you imply, could well happen!

It was Theresa May and Phillip Hammond who first raised it as a bargaining chip, not the EU and the EU have made no mention of the fact either but if a push came to a shove do you think the EU would just sit back and take anything that was thrown at it? There are a couple of xenophobic lunatics vying for the position of leader of the Tory Party and Prime Minister which does not bode well for us British Expats.

Jim

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... es-EU.html

You mean like this?

http://algarvedailynews.com/news/8130-e ... der-brexit


Or this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-u ... u-36707501

Or this?

As I have always said, a Brexit result would always be risky to those British who lived in other EU Countries and I would hazard a guess we will not be included on the first page of any exit talks.

Jim

McIngy1 wrote:.........They want more integration, we want less, they want more expansion, we don'- so there is no point crying or worrying about what will happen. We have quit, there will be consequences and we have to rely on sensible people sitting down and working out sensible solutions...............

Unfortunately they appear to be thin on the ground at the moment, especially the two who are in the starting gate for the Tory Party and who appear to be supported by other lunatics of the same ilk. I don't worry and I don't cry but I don't fancy spending another ten years of my life dealing with people whose sole intention in life is making yours difficult; oh but you haven't had the experience yet have you?

Jim

They will negotiate whatever either of the two Dames (whichever one wins) tells them to negotiate; well that's usually what Government Negotiators do, they don't make it up as they go along.

I can't see zero hour contracts disappearing and with an aging population in the UK it's only going to get worse, nothing to do with freedom of movement.

Jim

I think you will find Junker's time as president of the EU Commission is numbered. Merkel sees him as a loose cannon because of the very comments he made about existing immigrants within the EU.

Oh well, Andrea Leadsom - couldn't stand up to the flak....

Andrea Leadsom is expected to pull out of the two-way contest to become the next Conservative Party leader and UK prime minister, the BBC understands.

A source close to the energy minister said "the abuse has been too great".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208