CyprusLiving

Forthcoming election will be thrown into considerable disarray !!! Certainly not a case of a Labour/ Conservative outright win without some form of coalition. Conservative M.P. defecting to UKIP---Labour M.P"s considering switching allegiance---forthcoming bye elections --Scottish referendum--should be an interesting few months---can"t wait for the normal lies of the manifestos emitted by the main parties ! In my own estimation, quite a few surprises/shocks are on the way ! Mossy99
M.M.

Who do you support Mossy99, I support UKIP (used to be a Conservative supporter)?
Geoff.

geoffreys wrote:Who do you support Mossy99, I support UKIP (used to be a Conservative supporter)?
Geoff.

Good morning to you ! Yes, have always voted Conservative up to the recent Europe elections and then I voted UKIP, purely to give the main parties a wake-up call. Seems from the recent results there were many of us like minded !! The recent defection of the Conservative M.P. to UKIP ,resulting in a bye election in Clacton is I feel, just a tip of the iceberg. Something radical has to be done to get our country back into reasonable shape---guess it"s watch this space ! Mossy99
M.M.

Yes there are lots of like minded people, and not just my generation, my daughter and granddaughter also share the same view, (without my input).

Jackie

I voted conservative until it became obvious to me that all the promises they made were, just like the other main party, were never acted upon. Now it will be a case of well, we couldn't do it before, but if you vote us in again, we will. Heard it too many times.

Jackie

Hudswell wrote:....okay none of them are perfect but at least the UK is dragging itself out of that financial disaster created by the last Government....

I thought it was the greed of the Bankers who just happen to be hand in glove with the Conservative Party that caused the financial meltdown, not the previous government though no doubt history will be altered to suit political views.


Jim

Will Boris stand at the Bye-election coming up in Kent?

Is David running scared of UKIP?

Alan

Hudswell wrote:Jim, your having a laugh....The previous Government almost succeeded in turning the UK into a basket case....financially I would not trust them run a sweet shop....which actually I think that's what they thought it was....and if they get in again...well God help us...because any good work that has been done to date will be swept away in an instant....would you honestly trust Ed Balls to run your finances......a staunch supporter of the "Gordon Brown School of Failed Economic Policies"

No! just telling it how it really was. If you recall it was Northern Rock that started the rot and then bank after bank started to fail due to all the toxic debts they'd bought on the cheap; nothing to do with the Government of the day. Should Labour have let all the bankrupt banks go to the wall; I don't know but millions of ordinary people like you and me would have lost everything if they had. It wasn't just the UK that was affected; it sent a shock wave around the world and we can still see the repercussions of bankers greed in our adopted country.

I never mentioned this government or the next government, I only stated that your comments relating to the last government are incorrect.

As an aside; at least Ed Balls has a degree in Ecnomics as opposed to George Osbournes degree in Modern History and Balls was a Teaching Fellow in the Department of Economics, Harvard University.

Jim

Vote BNP.

Hudswell wrote:He obviously came well down the class then...and actually a degree in Modern History is probably more useful,enabling Mr Osbourne to avoid the catastrophic financial disasters perpetrated by Labour in the past . I am a conservative voter...but I would never say never...and if the current bunch which constitutes the Labour Opposition Government manage to crawl out of that shameful hole they dug for themselves and get into a position of power....well god help us.

I see you dodged the question again Hud; unfortunately your dislike for Labour is colouring your judgement and distorting your view of history. You don't get to being a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University by coming bottom of the class.

Jim

jersey

Do you vote BNP, seems as though your are canvassing for them on this forum.

Jackie

Jim B wrote:You don't get to being a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University by coming bottom of the class.

The world is full of clever people.
That doesn't mean that they're fit for purpose to serve the public in High Office.
And Mr Balls is living proof of that.
If he and his lot get in again, then the country is doooomed.

I do not have a degree in economics, but do not see what possible relevence that has to being in charge of the nations money. Grevious Brown was, and sold our entire gold reserves for tuppence ha'penny. Labour seems to think that raping those who work and those who have a bit put by are to be treated with contempt whislt being systematically worn to a nub by penal taxation, whilst those who do not work sometimes into the 3rd generation should be given the whole lot on a plate.
I admired old Labour, you know the ones who stuck up for the working class, but the champagne socialists who cannot even spell conscience let alone have one make me want to puke.
Still, so long as Mr Balls makes his money in the trough, why worry, eh??????
As Durian said .........let that lot in and we're doooomed.

lewisestwo wrote:..... Grevious Brown was, and sold our entire gold reserves for tuppence ha'penny.............

That is not correct; he didn't sell it all; he sold 58% and generally the financial people said at the time it was a correct decision. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and at the timre the UK received a good price for it so he didn't really give it away for tuppence ha'penny.

Conservative have been saying we're doomed since 1924 when Labour first got in power but the UK is still ticking along. I think Labour will get in next time; ordinary people have seen the first thing the Tories do is provide big tax breaks to their pals (who are already millionaires) while telling them they have to bite the bullet to get the country out of the mess their pals the Bankers got us into in the first place.

Jim

Jim

It doesn't matter which party comes to power, the first thing THEY BOTH do, is give themselves big pay rises, and then fiddle their expenses, they are both tarred with the same brush. It's time the overtaxed and underpaid made their presence felt, time for a change methinks.

Jackie

Firefly wrote:Jim

It doesn't matter which party comes to power, the first thing THEY BOTH do, is give themselves big pay rises, and then fiddle their expenses, they are both tarred with the same brush. It's time the overtaxed and underpaid made their presence felt, time for a change methinks.

Jackie

Of course you are correct Jackie; I don't disagree with you at all. Usually though it is done sneakily and underhand but this time it was so blatant and "in your face" that (to my mind) it was just total contempt for the ordinary people in the country.

Jim

Hud

The first article reads like the guy who wrote it is a Banker himself; blaming every man and his dog except themselves for the mess they dropped us in.

I don't have much respect for MPs any way so nothing written surprises me.

Jim

Super thread?
Those who like Labour come on and suggest we support Labour.
Those (who like me) support UKIP come on and suggest we vote UKIP.
Those who support Conservatives come on and suggest we vote Conservative.
Those who.........

No sensible floating voter is going to be in the least swayed by any of the posts so far.
There does seem to be some sort of concensus however, that Labour always screw up the economy when they get into power.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely (dunno who said that, but it is right).

Good debate (not!).
Geoff.

Geoff,

How many people who have posted on this thread do you think will actually vote in the 2015 general election?

keving wrote:Geoff,

How many people who have posted on this thread do you think will actually vote in the 2015 general election?

Academic, but I suspect very few. As many of us originate from UK, and have family still there (kids, grandkids) the way it goes
is of interest.

But as I said in an earlier post nothing much in this thread to sway any floaters who do live here and will be voting. Not very inspiring so far.

Geoff.

McIngy1 wrote:The Scottish Independence vote could of course stir the mix.

A Yes vote would probably mean the election is delayed by a year because Labour's guaranteed seats in the Commons from Scotland would somehow have to be taken out of the equation for the new parliament. Although the loss of Scottish seats may give the Conservatives a much better chance of forming the next government, it would be doubtful Cameron could survive as leader if the Union split under his watch

I thought the General Election dates was now a fixed one, at the exact end of the 5-year term (??) - can a YES vote in Scotland affect that?
Geoff.

McIngy1 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/03/calls-to-postpone-uk-general-election-scots-independence

In which it (the Guardian) says (inter-alia):
"The fixed term parliament act of 2011 would need to be repealed"
Exactly the point I was making in my earlier post! I agree, there might well be calls for that if the Scots vote for separation.
Geoff.

I see the UK Government is asking the EU to remove the cap on Banker's Bonus payments; it appears they get a bonus whether they deserve one or not.

Jim

McIngy1 wrote:I know it's not a given, but I would imagine that the ruling Con/Lib Dem coalition would have to pass the necessary changes- it would be undemocratic nonsense if they did not

As it was primary legislation, a repeal would need to be passed by the full parliament, both houses.
Geoff.

Hudswell wrote:If yes then a general election next year would be a nonsense as any "Scottish" MPs would leave in 2016 which would probably alter the power base of the house....best postpone and prevent the chaos....hopefully it won't come to that and Scotland will vote No...

Only "probably alter the power base"? Really? Scotland is represented in Westminster by 59 MPs, of which 41 are Labour.

I am staunch Labour but I hope to see a yes vote. I really don't understand why the people who want a no vote (on this forum at least) appear to be English. That is very strange.

keving wrote:

Hudswell wrote:If yes then a general election next year would be a nonsense as any "Scottish" MPs would leave in 2016 which would probably alter the power base of the house....best postpone and prevent the chaos....hopefully it won't come to that and Scotland will vote No...

Only "probably alter the power base"? Really? Scotland is represented in Westminster by 59 MPs, of which 41 are Labour.

I am staunch Labour but I hope to see a yes vote. I really don't understand why the people who want a no vote (on this forum at least) appear to be English. That is very strange.

Most people on this forum ARE English. Very few Scots.
Geoff.

I want an English Parliament, any chance ?

Jackie

I really don't understand why the people who want a no vote (on this forum at least) appear to be English. That is very strange.
Because they want to continue milking Scotland. They tell us Scotland only has 20 to 30 years of oil left. Westminster only has 4 days.

Just like you Zorba I was born in England and my ancestory is Scottish but I don't have a chip on my shoulder about the English like many Scots appear to have. The majority of the big Offshore Oilfields are off the Shetlands; will an independent Scotland let the Shetlanders have a referendum for independence from Scotland; I can't see SNP allowing it can you?

Like Hudswell I'm proud of the UK and believe it's worth fighting for; unfortunately I don't have a vote on the matter and can only use logic and common sense as an arguement.

Jim

Hudswell wrote:Because Zorba I care passionately about the United Kingdom and fail to see. Why I do not have a say in its future, Scotland is not milked it is supported..as are the other elements of the Union...the oil will go...the Union has been around for over 300 years...it has provided security, wealth and well being....it's destruction should not be decided by a minority driven by lies and hatred...

..."a minority driven by lies and hatred..." Thought for a minute you were talking about sunny Cyprus!
Nah, can't be.
Geoff

If you pay in (9.9%) tan you get out (9.3%) then you are not supported.